I could use some help here, I recently found a forum that at first I thought was going to be a good one.
But many red flags began to pop up while I was there, the biggest being that no one could or would answer a post directly, they would only cut and paste from some books that the forum seems to be promoting, and they wanted me to read them if I wanted to remain.
But to the point while trying to get one straight answer in a debate on if scripture claimed Messiah to be Yahweh, someone mentioned the name Yshayah'el saying it meant God as man. Now when I asked for the scripture that contained this, a mod took over and asked the members to not debate with me until I read their books,
Now I will just past the next three post so you can see there claim
Tell you what, show me the name Yshayah'el in scripture, and I will consider reading the book.
And he replyed
Hello again.
Well there is a whole section with that title.
Yada Yahweh: Salvation, Yshayahel
YadaYahweh wrote:
The benefits of beriyth are eternal. "He shall rule upon the throne (kicce') of David (dawid - of love) and in the midst of ('al - on behalf of and for the sake of) His realm (mamlakah - kingdom and dominion), rendering it sure and prosperous (kuwn - establishing it upright, prepared, and firm; stable and secure; enduring and steadfast), restoring and renewing it (sa'ad - supporting, upholding, strengthening, and comforting; healing, refreshing, and sustaining) with verdicts that are just (mishpat - judgments and decisions which are proper and fitting), vindicating and justified (tsadaqah - making you appear innocent, righteous, and upright) from this time forth ('attah - now) and forevermore ('ad 'owlam - for continuous existence throughout all eternity, for an unlimited duration of time without end). The passion (qinah - intense feeling, energy, deep devotion, and enduring love) of Yahuweh (YHWH), of the assembled servants (tsaba' - Yahuweh's spiritual messengers (a.k.a. angels)), will accomplish, produce, and perform this work ('asah - will fashion and achieve this effect, endeavor, cause, labor, and offering) as man, as 'Yshayah'el (a compound of 'el, God, hayah, existing as, and 'ysh, man)!" (Yasha'yahu/Isaiah 9:7)
There is some debate as to what the last word of Yasha'yahu 9:7 actually is - even in the oldest text - the Great Isaiah Scroll found in Qumran. The most sophisticated word-study tool, Logos Software, says that it is 'Yshayah'el. The Masoretic says that it is z'oth, which is a "feminine pronoun meaning this woman." Most translations relying upon the Masoretes ignore the fact that z'oth is a pronoun and that it is feminine, and then for good measure, they eliminate woman from their translation, and then end up with "this."
Again to get the full meaning and it all in context, which is obviously important - I would recomend you read the whole section and not just the quote I have made.
My reply
the Great Isaiah Scroll found in Qumran. The most sophisticated word-study tool, Logos Software, says that it is 'Yshayah'el.
Although I have never seen the original, I have seen copies, the word in question is the last word on the left of line 26, it looks a lot more to me like זאת zô'th then Yshayah'el.
Also about the word zô'th and some of it's uses.
Gen 9:12 And Elohim said, ([This] zô'th) is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
Gen 12:7 Then Yahweh appeared to Abram and said, "To your descendants I will give ([this] zô'th) land." And there he built an altar to Yahweh, who had appeared to him.
Gen 12:18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, "What is ([this] zô'th) you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife?
Gen 15:7 Then He said to him, "I am Yahweh, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you ([this] zô'th) land to inherit it."
Gen 15:18 On the same day Yahweh made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given ([this] zô'th) land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates;
Gen 17:10 "([This] zô'th) is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised;
And I could list around 500 more none of which say this woman, so not to be rude, but these are some of the reasons why I will not read through what others interpret, there is enough to discover in scripture and history without having to first double check someone elses interpretations.
I may cross reference it but I won't take away scripture time for something else, at least until it proves itself.
But if you don't want me here because of this then it is fine with me, I am on many other boards, and I stay busy enough.
And it keeps on going like this for awhile but never an answer
So, long story not short enough, do they have something, or are they just out there.
